Please find the link below to listen :
https://monocle.com/radio/shows/monocle-on-design/432/dave-okumu-and-julius-taminiau/
monocle podcast 432 “on design”
“We meet the minds behind two new spaces designed to inspire creativity. Dutch architect Ellen van Loon discusses her design made with architectural firm Oma for Brighton College in the UK. And we also talk music-studio design with musician and producer Dave Okumu and architect Julius Taminiau.”